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Thursday, September 17, 2009


The offending poster.

By Lynn Thompson
The Seattle Times (MCT)

EDMONDS, Wash. — As a child in Armenia, Henry Gasparian witnessed firsthand the horrors of Nazi Germany. Two uncles were killed, his father wounded and a brother starved to death during the German invasion and occupation of the Soviet Union. So when Gasparian, 70, saw a poster of President Obama with a Hitler mustache near the entrance to the Edmonds Farmers Market Sept. 5, he concedes his reaction was "personal and emotional."

He tried to grab the fliers being passed out by supporters of Lyndon LaRouche, a perennial presidential candidate who has likened Obama's health-care proposals to the Nazi extermination of Jews and other "undesirables."

Two young LaRouche workers told police that Gasparian repeatedly pushed them and grabbed one of their arms. Gasparian said it was they who first pushed him.

Now Gasparian is charged with two counts of 4th degree assault in Edmonds Municipal Court for what he describes as an attempt by "an old man to say you cannot insult the president with this outrageous campaign."

The Edmonds incident has been echoed around the country over the past few months. LaRouche supporters have disrupted town hall meetings on health care, including most famously, the young woman who asked Rep. Barney Frank in August why he supported a "Nazi health care plan." The Massachusetts Democrat replied, "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

The LaRouche Political Action Committee Web site says "Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan" and encourages visitors to download the Obama-as-Hitler poster and take it to town hall meetings.
In Washington state, LaRouche workers have set up tables outside of post offices, at the Evergreen and Puyallup Fairs and other public venues.

The local LaRouche activists declined to comment on the Edmonds incident and referred questions to the national office. Nancy Spannaus, a spokeswoman for the LaRouche PAC, defended the Obama-as-Hitler posters saying they are an "honest emblem of what the administration policy represents."

She said the Obama plan is premised on the idea that some people cost too much too keep alive, a charge the Obama administration and health-care advocates say is untrue.

But the heightened rhetoric and extreme views surrounding the public debate are raising alarm among political observers and groups that monitor hate speech and threats against minorities.

Hilary Bernstein, Pacific Northwest community director of the Anti-Defamation League, a national civil rights organization, worries that the language first propagated by LaRouche backers, who espouse a far-right political point of view, is now entering the mainstream debate.
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What used to be so fringe is making its way into talk radio, blogs, YouTube and other news sources that people see as legitimate," she said.

David Domke, a University of Washington professor who specializes in political communication, said that while people have been saying terrible things about politicians since the country's beginnings, "the intensity and depth of feeling today seems to be at a dangerous point."

"We have conversations now in the same way we go to war. We have to demonize the other person," Domke said.

Local political leaders are also dismayed by the likening of Obama to Hitler. Jim Kellett, chair of the Snohomish Republican party, saw the LaRouche activists outside the Everett, Wash., post office this summer. Kellett, who has toured a concentration camp in Germany and visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., said, "If they understood what the Holocaust was about, it's really unconscionable to make that kind of comparison."

He said he has told people opposed to the health-care proposals "to be civil and come armed with the facts."

Henry Gasparian said that he had seen news reports that included the images of Obama as Hitler, but wasn't prepared when he saw the poster outside the crowded Edmonds market.

The police report says that Gasparian yelled at the LaRouche activists from his car, "flipped them off" and repeatedly yelled obscenities. The activists told police that he returned on foot and assaulted them without provocation.

Gasparian left the scene after the confrontation, but said he drove past the table about two hours later. When he saw a police officer nearby, he said, he stopped and questioned him about the activist's right to use the Nazi imagery.

The LaRouche workers saw Gasparian and identified him to the officer as the man who had earlier assaulted them. That's when Gasparian was handcuffed and arrested. He said three or four patrol cars surrounded the intersection of Fifth and Main "as if they had caught Bin Laden."

Aramis Gasparian, 29, bailed his father out of jail 8 hours later. He said his father had never had more than a speeding ticket before this incident.

"It's shocking, to say the least. He's 70 years old," the son said.

Gasparian immigrated from Armenia in 1993, the same year both his parents died. A classically trained musician with degrees in English and journalism, he settled in the Seattle area and found jobs in sales until health concerns forced him to retire.

A week after his arrest, Gasparian was still emotional. He said he recalled his miserable childhood in Armenia, where, because of the war, some days he had no more to eat than a small piece of sugar or bread.

His father, drafted by the Soviets to fight the Nazis when Gasparian was just 1 year old, returned home six years later, unrecognizable, injured both physically and mentally.

Historical accounts say that a half-million Armenians fought for the Soviets against the Germans. Half were killed, including Gasparian's two uncles.

"I saw Hitler's soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama stupid, even criminal, OK, that's politics. But Hitler? It's hurting to anyone no matter who is president," he said.

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Comments

Good for the larouchies that guy had no right to loose his cooll like that, and deserved to be arrested. freedom of speech means that you fight for the right of speech you despise. anything else and the constitution is shredded. though he was 70, sounds like the guy needed a lesson on how to be civil.

Posted by bob at Thursday, September 17, 2009 16:14:27

I disagree. As a journalist, freedom of speech is one of the most important freedoms to me. There is a line, however, that likening Obama to Hitler crosses. Not only is it disrespectful to Obama, his advisers, the people who voted for him and support him, the people who actually fought the Nazis during WWII, the people who survived the concentration camps and the memories of all those who died, but it is not based upon fact. It's incredibly unoriginal propaganda perpetrated by people unintelligent enough to come up with a legitimate argument. When they use offensive, ignorant tactics like this to persuade the American people, their voices should be pushed to the back of the room so that people who actually know what they are talking about and have informed arguments can tell the American people what is really going on. That way people can make informed decisions based upon facts, not ignorant rants. Freedom of speech is great and all, but there are just certain lines that should not be crossed, and this is one of those cases. Just my opinion =)

Posted by Stewart at Thursday, September 17, 2009 18:54:46

Also, per your argument, this Gasparian guy has a right to be uncivil, at least voice-wise, and if they pushed first, good for him for fighting back. We need more passionate old people like him to speak up.

Posted by Stewart at Thursday, September 17, 2009 18:56:57

I agree that the LaRouche people have a right to display their disgusting poster, and be the followers of a crazy felon if they want and are demented enough to believe LaRouche's ravings.

But the hypocrisy on the right, wringing their hands in fake horror that these guys had their freedom to make asses of themselves abridged, after they sat silent or cheered while little old ladies with anti-war t-shirts were arrested, or anti-Bush protesters where herded into "free speech zones," is proof that their love of free speech extends only to speech they agree with.

Posted by The Man in the Mirror at Friday, September 18, 2009 04:40:40

to stewart:

what you say is fair, and may be a correct opinion, but that still doesn't kill freedom of speech. did they cross the line? one can only assert opinions, and not assert law on the question of their line-crossing.

the problem with liberals generally I think is best illustrated in the now famous finger biting incident in Thousand Oaks California. the problem is two fold. one is that they, for some reason, are violence prone. I do not remember anything like this happening when bush was justly criticised,that is, violence perpetrated by a crazed bush supporter.

two, is the remarkable amount of bias surrounding this incident, and Larouche. makes me think that, if a guy like him flies so forcefully in the face of popular opinion and ****es off this many people, he may actually be on to something. I checked his website. I suggest you do the same. did you even research his position on the healthcare bill?

what's remarkable is that people see the moustache, and their brain immediately shuts off in a frenzy of violence fueled self righteousness. tells me that there is something wrong emotionally with those people.

according to the police report, it was Mr. Gasparian that attacked first. Why do you assume that the police report is wrong? is there something wrong with you? you are right that gasparian has the right to VOICE his uncivil attitude, but not to use violence.

I'd tell you about my opinion of larouche's website, but I don't want to bias you more than you already are, considering that you already assume that his arguments are not "informed" when you haven't looked at them. condemn it on the merits of his argument, and not on the basis of a liberal politically correct tantrum:

http://www.larouchepac.com

Posted by bob at Saturday, September 19, 2009 17:12:16

Bob:

Thanks for your opinion. If you actually read this article before posting your opinions, you'll have noticed it says that Gasparian claims to have been pushed first. This is what I was referring to. So there is nothing wrong with me, but thanks for your concern =)

Thanks also for recommending the site to me. However, I believe if I want to find a well-informed opinion against the bill, I'll be looking at the opinions of people I think are reliable; namely, ones that aren't spreading propaganda. While I've been taught not to judge a book by its cover, I'm afraid I find this cover just a bit too offensive for my liberal sensibilities to condone.

By the way, making such a broad statement about liberals being more "violence prone" makes me want to knock some sense into you. I am one liberal, however, who does not have violent tendencies, and I generally disapprove of any people who are physically violent, no matter their political affiliation. And there are plenty on all points of the political spectrum, trust me =)

By the way, I'm fairly certain that I'm not politically correct at all, but thanks for the compliment. I will not dispute my liberal tantrum, however. I'm quite proud of them =)

Posted by Stewart at Tuesday, September 22, 2009 15:59:21

hahahaha "Knock some sense into you" I dont really agree with either of you but that was funny Stewart!

Posted by justagoodolboy at Thursday, February 04, 2010 08:42:30

Actually, there are no sides. "The only side is them and us. There is no Republican or Democrat, no Sunni or Shiite, or Black or White. There is only haves and have-nots."-Senator Charles Meacham from movie "Shooter" Mr. Stewart, you seem like the kinda guy who would say its unpatriotic to question the President, the government and their motives. If that were the case, we'd still be British. Revolutionary warfare and ideas are what made this country free. There is no such thing as crossing the line.

Posted by SFODAOperator at Thursday, January 26, 2012 22:31:29

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